Take a journey back to 1936 and join us as we rewatch the film that propelled Humphrey Bogart to stardom! Leslie Howard and Bette Davis shine in this noir/crime/romance, along with a stellar performance from the supporting cast. Come see why some critics claim “darker looks have never been cast on celluloid”.
Take a journey back to 1936 and join us as we rewatch the film that propelled Humphrey Bogart to stardom! Leslie Howard and Bette Davis shine in this noir/crime/romance, along with a stellar performance from the supporting cast. Come see why some critics claim “darker looks have never been cast on celluloid”.
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The Petrified Forest (1936)
[00:00:00] Intro: [00:00:00] welcome to another episode of the old
[00:00:13] soul movie podcast, a show that
[00:00:16] features backgrounds, reviews, and reflections of some of the most influential
[00:00:20] movies
[00:00:21] ever made. And now your hosts,
[00:00:23] Emma and Jack.
[00:00:36] Jack: hi everyone. And welcome back to another episode of the old soul movie podcast. We hope you noticed our new intro, Emma, a new era, a new Dawn for the show, how exciting it is. And we have a listener requested film this week. Emma, what is it? And how excited are you to cover it?
[00:00:55] Emma: [00:00:55] I am very excited, I guess, as you mentioned, this was a listener [00:01:00] suggestion and the movie is the petrified forest from 1936, which I have never seen.
[00:01:07] So that's always a treat for me. I'm always excited to check out something new, something that I'm unfamiliar with. So this was kind of fun, cause this is like a first impressions for both of us. And, uh, yeah, I had, I had a ton of fun watching this. I was so, um, yeah, I, I really enjoyed it. I don't want to say pleasantly surprised, but like I had no expectations going into it and, um, it was, it was a fun
[00:01:31] Jack: [00:01:31] one.
[00:01:32] Yeah. Me neither. Me neither. Yeah. I, um, I think for me, this is right up there with the anatomy of a murder. Recommendation, which was also, yeah, like, like I just said was a, uh, a listener requested movie. So we were both fresh going into that one. We were both fresh going into this one, loved anatomy of a murder.
[00:01:53] Like it was one of my favorite and is one of my favorite recent discoveries of any film yeah. Of late. And this [00:02:00] one for being made in 1936 was. In my opinion. Incredible. I love this movie. I don't know what it was. Maybe it was just, it hit me when, like, everything was just clicking for me while I was watching it.
[00:02:15] And I was just so intrigued. I'm not even the biggest Humphrey Bogart Stan, but I thought that this was be my favorite film that he's ever done. I just love this role for him. And yeah, I just, I can't wait to talk about it more because I just have so much to say and. So little time to say it, but, um, but yeah, I'm, uh, what were your first impressions or what I guess stands out to you as being important to, to know about the petrified for it.
[00:02:45] Okay. This
[00:02:46] Emma: [00:02:46] just. Okay. First, first impressions. Like I didn't even look up the summary. I really didn't know exactly what it would be about. I just knew Humphrey Bogart was kind of a gangster to [00:03:00] character. That is really all I knew kind of going into it. This gave me some, just like. Cool Gothic Vives. This reminded me kind of like of, uh, a good man is hard to find like a Flannery O'Connor short story come to life.
[00:03:18] It was just a cool twist. A little philosophical. Uh, yeah, it was just cool. It was, it was like a short story that was. Brought to life. Um, and going off that it was not based off a short story, but it was based off a 1935 Broadway play of the same name. And yes, this has an extremely play light quality to it.
[00:03:42] I can totally see where one would watch this on the stage. I bet that would be a phenomenal production to watch actually be pretty fun. Um, But yeah, more background. So kind of like I mentioned, Humphrey Bogart, places, kind of criminal named Duke Manti, [00:04:00] which I know I'm going to screw up and say Manatee at some point, but the character.
[00:04:07] Duke Mantee is based off of John Dillinger, who was a very famous gangster in the 1930s and was named the first public enemy number one in our country. And what's interesting is, is that Humphrey Bogart actually won the role on the stage because he physically resembled. Dillinger. And he watched a lot of film footage of Dylan share to prep to kind of mimic his mannerisms and voice and all that stuff.
[00:04:36] So. With this stage production, Leslie Howard and Humphrey Bogart played their same roles on the stage version. Now Warner brothers wanted, uh, Leslie Howard in the film, but they wanted to replace Humphrey Bogart with Edward G. Robinson who was far more well-known Humphrey Bogart keep [00:05:00] in mind was just not, uh, um, The radar at all at this point in time, uh, one might know Edward G.
[00:05:07] Robinson from double indemnity or the bad guy, Dayton from the 10 commandments. Now, Howard Leslie Howard had a contract that gave him a little more creative control for his film projects. Uh, this one, for sure. And Leslie Howard insisted that Humphrey Bogart. Be in the movie, he actually sent a telegram to Jack Warner that red insist Boger playmat Mancy, not vanity, no Bogart, no deal.
[00:05:37] So yeah, that's essentially how Humphrey Bogart got this role and it ended up being a huge breakout role. It kind of. Led him to his path of success and Bogart would actually later named his daughter with Lauren Bacall, Leslie Howard Bogart, and honored of Leslie Howard, the man who gave him his first big break.
[00:05:58] So [00:06:00] that's pretty cool. I mean like, and he totally appreciated Leslie Howard for a very long time and clearly naming his child after him thanking him for this opportunity. So. Yet. I've got to say, I think comfrey voguer kills it. I think he shines, uh, I loved watching him so young and fresh. There's something about watching, uh, like a big star very early on in their role kind of unbridled nose.
[00:06:29] Status pages like go for it.
[00:06:32] Jack: [00:06:32] That's really cool. They almost just have to take that risk. It's like go bigger, go home. And yeah, no, I completely agree with what you said about Humphrey Bogart. I just, I love seeing him in the sort of villain role, because I feel like I'm so used to watching him as the hero, you know, the main character, the main guy, and to see him.
[00:06:55] In a bit of a more, I don't know, dark way was just so it was like [00:07:00] refreshing and. I dunno what it is that I don't know if it doesn't click with me in his other roles, if it's his voice or, or what, whatever it is. But I think that there are just some moments where it is like some of the best acting I've ever seen from Humphrey Bogart, especially at the end, when he's kind of debating with himself, like whether to go or not.
[00:07:20] And it's just so tense. Like this is honestly, it's one of the most suspenseful movies. I feel like I'd seen in a long time by doing very. Little. I mean, it's a nice, it's a 1936, so you can't really rely on, I dunno, maybe special effects as much or, um, anything kind of crazy. So it is just, it's such a great plot in my opinion.
[00:07:43] And like you said, it almost is sort of like a short story. It's only 82 minutes long, so it is very, very fast and. I think that the, the actual, the cinematography of it is so well done. I just, I love how there is that mix of just, you [00:08:00] know, classic film shots, but it also has those sort of, uh, those calls to the play and, uh, in the stage.
[00:08:08] So, um, I just, I love how everything was set up. I really, I enjoy it almost. All the characters. I think even the minor characters have amazing timeless dialogue. Like it feels like something that could have been made today and feel equally as, um, I wouldn't feel out of place. So I loved it. I personally loved it.
[00:08:33] I cannot wait to get into it. And I do just love all the background, the little maybe bromance, or just kind of the respect between Leslie and Humphrey. I think that that's so cool that Leslie really vouched for him because I'm sure. I mean, this just does seem like the most true movie. I feel like I've ever watched, including Casa Blanca, maybe.
[00:08:54] So, um, So, yeah, I loved it. Can't wait to get into it and yeah, just the [00:09:00] dynamics of it. Yeah. I
[00:09:02] Emma: [00:09:02] have to say the characterization in this movie is so strong. Anytime that work is being written, you want to make sure every character, you get a good sense of who they are, their motivations, kind of their little quirks, mannerisms, and everyone was developed crazy well.
[00:09:17] Um, and, and quite frankly, they needed to be since it's kind of a pressure cooker of these people in one location for most of the movie, Uh, but yeah, I mean, it's still hard to do and very well done on that note, who brought these characters to life? Let's zero in a little bit on some of our stars here. Uh, like we mentioned, Humphrey Bogart, total newcomer, really to the scene.
[00:09:41] I think his first IMTP credit is in 1928. And he wasn't in like big movies, just like once here and there until this one. So pretty cool. Uh, so Humphrey Bogart actually got a freelance contract for three weeks and he was paid 750 a week. And after this movie was such a success, he got a [00:10:00] 26 week contracts.
[00:10:01] So this truly was his big break. Um, Leslie Howard. Okay. So the guy who plays Allen British actor known. Pretty much, mostly from the film gone with the wind in which he played Ashley Wilkes, the object of Scarlet O'Hara his desires. Yeah. So this was fun for me to kind of see him in. This type of work, something different and yeah, I just, I had a lot of fun watching him now.
[00:10:33] Betty Davis are Gabrielle very prolific well-known actress known for playing fairly unlikeable ish characters, but tremendous range. Uh, she appeared in so many different genres, such a variety. Um, she's been in crime films, period pieces, suspense. Pieces comedies, romantic dramas, et cetera. Uh, she's done it [00:11:00] all.
[00:11:00] And she won her first Academy award for her work in the movie dangerous, which came out in 1935. So that was just one year before this one. Now this movie comes out in 1936. Then in 1937, a year after this film, she tried to get out of her contract with Warner brothers. So she presented complaints such as that she could be suspended without pay for refusing apart with the period of suspension added to her contract.
[00:11:33] That she could be called upon to play any part within her abilities, regardless of her personal beliefs, that she could be required to support a political party against her beliefs and that her image and likeness could be displayed in any manner deemed applicable by the studio. So, yeah, I mean, I think we've kind of talked about it before, but the studios had a lot of control over their stars.
[00:11:56] They had contracts with them slides. Um, it was [00:12:00] definitely a very, yeah. Difficult system. And I feel like this Meghan Markle interview just came out and I'm like, this is all I can think of like this like control. Um, but yeah, so she lost that court case, but. And the film history, legal world. It's definitely one to take note of in terms of star contracts.
[00:12:20] The next kind of biggest one is Olivia de Havilland, who would end up having a very similar case with similar complaints in the 1940s. And that did result in a win in it, did change the star system quite a bit. So Betty Davis, some of the work you might recognize of hers includes all about Eve. Whatever happened to baby Jane, uh, which I think this is like second week.
[00:12:42] We've mentioned that movie, uh, Jess about now Voyager a lot, a lot. She became very well known for her perfectionism and acting, and she was truly one of the most prominent leading ladies in all of old Hollywood. So this was very cool to see her in. [00:13:00] I guess, I don't want to say this is like crazy early, but like something in the mid thirties.
[00:13:04] And if you aren't familiar with her work, you might recognize her name from the Kim Carnes song. Bette Davis eyes. There you go. And the setting is in the petrified forest national park in Arizona, which is named for its large deposits of petrified wood. And. The park covers 346 square miles or 900 square kilometers.
[00:13:28] So it's like semi-desert shrubs, colorful Badlands. It's definitely also known for being a very hot spot for fossils and a dry windy climate. And it could reach up to a hundred degrees Fahrenheit or 38 degrees Celsius. So. This is a yeah. A cool setting,
[00:13:49] Jack: [00:13:49] something kind of dark, mysterious, and almost magical about the, about the desert.
[00:13:56] Yeah, I know. I do. I do. I really do. And [00:14:00] um, I think that that's also what kind of intrigued me about this is it almost has this Western vibe to it. Like it's not it's, I wouldn't classify it as a Western movie, but the way that. I think a few of the characters ranging, you know, from Gabrielle to Allen, um, and even a few others, that the way that they talk about kind of the area where they're at, it seems like almost like a, a certain purgatory where everyone's just kind of waiting.
[00:14:27] And I don't know. I think that it's just the crossroads of so many of these characters lives, whether it be Gabrielle wanting to fulfill some her dreams or Allen kind of. On this sort of, he doesn't even know, but his own quest Duke being on the run. And so it's, I don't know. I just, I loved, loved, loved how everything was set up.
[00:14:51] And again, like, you kind of mentioned the very beginning. I had no clue how this was going to play out. You know, you read the, the brief synopsis or whatever on [00:15:00] a whatever streaming platform you prefer, but you have no clue really what you're getting yourself into. And I think that there were moments where I genuinely, I was laughing like pretty hardly, um, whether it was from, uh, grandpa maple or, you know, Joseph, the chauffeur and, you know, Duke's gang, like.
[00:15:23] They're funny, but it's also like very tense. And so, I dunno, I just, I feel like the situation. And the film was just so dynamic the way that, uh, situations were diffused with humor or, um, or this or that. And you just, you really had no clue what was going to happen. I think that, uh, Bose was a pretty interesting character and just kind of that dynamic.
[00:15:45] One of my favorite scenes was one. Bose was kind of cursing out the entire gang. And, uh, I can't wait to get into it when we get into the rewatch, but there were just so many moments where I genuinely had no clue what was going to happen. And I felt like the acting was just [00:16:00] firing on all cylinders, every single character, even, uh, what's her name?
[00:16:06] The Mrs. Chisholm, you know, Mrs only even had this crazy motive in Stockholm syndrome, kind of kicking in at the end there, like it was insane. It was insane to watch. And I'm just so happy that we were recommended it in that recovering it. And even though it's not, I think one of the most, you know, well-known classic old Hollywood films, I'm kind of questioning why it isn't because.
[00:16:33] I mean, if this was Humphrey Bogart, it's breakout role. Um, and in my opinion is strong as it was. I just don't know how it's not held in higher regard. I mean, in my eyes, it's honestly one of my favorites that I think we've covered, um, on, on, on the pod, like I'm just so excited and this is going to be.
[00:16:53] Maybe a more brief episode, but I can't wait maybe to get into an actor spotlight for Leslie [00:17:00] Howard, extra spotlight for Betty Davis. Um, of course Humphrey Bogart, but, um, that, that trio, that those three are just so strong. And I think there are just so many moments that are just like beautiful. Beautiful.
[00:17:14] And I think that, um, I don't know. I don't think we mentioned it yet, but. The fact that Warner brothers had sort of this alternate ending lined up, uh, where it ended up a little bit happier, but the original ending was still preferred. I think says a lot just about maybe the overall theme message or just kind of like strength of the script.
[00:17:40] Cause I just thought it was so strong. Like I think when it's shorter, it really has to be. And oddly enough, I'm going to plug, uh, our, our, uh, our Dracula movies that we unexpectedly also loved. Um, but I mean, that was another short one too. And I just, I felt like it was just, [00:18:00] it was condensed, but I.
[00:18:02] Honestly think this is almost like the sweet spot for, for a film for me. And this is, I guess, just me talking right now, but, um, like this and, but then again, like you love giant and I think, you know, as long as your script is tight and everything makes sense and is needed, you're fine. And. I think this one was just perfect.
[00:18:23] I was completely expecting something different. I thought that, uh, I thought that Alan was going to come in and like have a standoff with Duke or something. I did not expect it to be just kind of like this hostage situation where it is mostly just talking and just like tensions rising. And you kind of like uncover the motives of Duke and like who he is as a person.
[00:18:46] I just think, I think he is so complex. Duke. Oh yeah. I could just, I could probably talk on and on about it, but yeah, I'll try to condense my thoughts as well as I can, but yeah, I'm a, what [00:19:00] what's, what's clicking on, on your end.
[00:19:02] Emma: [00:19:02] Well, yeah, definitely. Before we get into the rewash, I just want to say this was such a unique film and you're right.
[00:19:08] I feel like it's kind of one that not a lot of people talk about or mention, but on that note, if you haven't seen it, I would say it's totally worth your time. Um, editing is everything I think of the film world and the fact that this is under 90 minutes and still so strong. Yeah. Says a lot about the craftsmanship of it.
[00:19:26] And I know I mentioned character motivations and how strong characterization is, but I think that's what also makes us quite special is because usually when you're taking a piece of art, be it a book or a movie it's not explicitly talked about what the characters motivations are as a reader. You just like, or as a writer, they guide that for their characters.
[00:19:48] And as a reader, you can try to analyze the characters yourself, but in this, they kind of do. Self-analyze themselves during this high pressure hostage [00:20:00] situation. So it makes it quite like a psychologically tense. Suspense if I don't want to say psychological thriller, but it's like a psychological analysis paralleled with a suspenseful situation.
[00:20:13] So it's very unique. It's just not something you see very often, generally speaking, even today. So. Yeah, I would say the overall, I think that this film is just crazy unique. There's not really a ton movies like it. And I think it did kind of inspire. I want to say inspire, but I think in a weird way, it does set this blueprint for some other suspense movies out there, be it overtly or not.
[00:20:39] Um, I think the formula of this works very well and I could see. Parts of it, maybe in other films. So she'll get into during the freeway.
[00:20:49] Jack: [00:20:49] Yeah. I'm, I'm nodding along like crazy. Cause I agree with everything that you said. And, um, it's so hard for me because it reminds me of so many other movies, but I just like, [00:21:00] I can't pinpoint it and I think you're right.
[00:21:03] Like it really does lay out this sort of formula for, um, just this kind of this tense situation. Again, funny. Like suspenseful romantic. Um, I don't know. It's just so dynamic and I love it. So, uh, yeah, I, should we, should we just dive in? How about it dive in? I'm
[00:21:22] Emma: [00:21:22] excited. I can't wait to see where we go
[00:21:25] Jack: [00:21:25] because I wonder what will pop up neither.
[00:21:27] Can I, neither can I, so in the midst of the great depression, Alan Squire played by Leslie Howard. As a failed British writer now a disillusioned penniless, drifter who wanders into a somewhat frowny roadside diner in the remote town of black Mesa, Arizona. At the edge of the petrified forest, the diner is run by Jason maple played by Porter hall.
[00:21:51] His daughter Gabrielle played by Betty Davis and grant Jason's father. Who regales, anyone who will listen with stories of his adventures and [00:22:00] the old West with such characters as Billy the kid. Oh, okay. Well, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Kind of interesting set up here. Um, again, I think it's kind of a cool time period in the midst of the great depression.
[00:22:15] Uh, I mean, everyone's just kind of, I feel like hanging on by a thread and, um, yeah, we're, we're just introduced to this sort of, kind of. I don't know, not run down, but it's just like a, it's just kind of like a lifeless diner almost in the middle of nowhere. Um, nothing really exciting. Just sort of, you know, empty.
[00:22:38] I really don't know how to describe it, but.
[00:22:40] Emma: [00:22:40] Yeah. I mean, there's something about that isolationist feel that always clicks with me. I don't know why, but I don't know that kind of night hockey five or you know, the diner. Yeah. And this just thinking about the context of the great depression, kind of this [00:23:00] it's a worldwide depression and isolation and all this stuff.
[00:23:04] Yeah. It just, it really fits the bill. And as the credits roll up, my first thought is, wow, it's just so crazy rare to see Humphrey's name, not the first one listed. So that was wild. And I've just, I'm obsessed with this Arizona setting. I'm just obsessed with this empty desert. That's empty diner. There's so much emptiness and it's such a great parallel to the characters and their lives.
[00:23:35] I gotta say, I, uh, I like this Gabrielle, like right away. I'm like, Oh yeah. I feel, I feel kindred spirit with this girl. Like, she's cool. Um, and when Bo's like, he's being all up in her business and so nonconsensual she's like, nah, not today. Satan is
[00:23:55] Jack: [00:23:55] just great. Yeah. Bose, I don't know. I mean, I think [00:24:00] my first impressions here are.
[00:24:02] Are kind of around the board. Like, I actually was a little uncertain about, um, Allen Squire, Leslie Howard at first I thought maybe he was sort of like a, I don't know who signed. He kind of seemed a little shady to me. I don't know why I kind of liked how, like, I don't know his whole gypsy vibe and just like mystery, this air of mystery kind of hung it.
[00:24:26] Literally, it hung above him like a, like a cloud. Like you could just kind of feel this sort of like intrigue. But there is this sort of like pull towards him. Like you want to, you want to learn more, but you're kind of nervous. I don't know. I feel like he's, everyone's inner conscience, you know, in a personified form that just like mirrors themselves back to them.
[00:24:46] Like, I feel like he can just, he's a very, uh, emotionally, uh, intelligent person who like knows people sort of at their cores. I feel like very quickly. And so, um, [00:25:00] And which is kind of ironic. Cause I don't know if he knows himself, but I think that's what makes him kind of this cool character. And of course I think that I have to mention Gramp.
[00:25:10] Um, grandpa's great. Jason maple, the owner of the diner actually really isn't that present. Um, but grant is there and I love just his, uh, his stories of the old West and Billy the kid. I just feel like he lives for kind of telling anyone who will listen. Um, You know, these tales from his youth, uh, between that and Mark Twain and all these kinds of just nonsense, like nonsensical things.
[00:25:36] I think that's
[00:25:37] Emma: [00:25:37] something that I noticed, particularly with the writing of this is I love the juxtapositions, uh, particularly with Alan. I mean, he is just full of. I don't know, contradicting personality traits. I don't know. He's a drifter wanderer, but he comes across as so sophisticated. [00:26:00] And then you have grandpa who's like definitely old and has all these memories, but he has this child-like excitement.
[00:26:07] So he's a mix of this like youth and this older guy. And so really well-built, uh, super impressed. Okay. My thoughts. When Allen and here's the diner. Okay. Like I, all I'm thinking is love, actually personal, like, Oh, okay. Allen's British. And that was cool to see Leslie Howard's real accent because he's British and all that stuff.
[00:26:38] But my first thought is like, Oh my God. Are you from England? Oh my God. Oh my God. That's so cute. What do you call that bottle table? Oh, that's the same gets us every time. Am I right ladies?
[00:26:54] Jack: [00:26:54] Yes. Yes, yes, yes, no. That's yeah, no, I, I [00:27:00] thought that was hilarious. Just the way that he was able to pick up on, um, you know, who Gabrielle was just as a person right away with, you know, noticing the literature and then he just played into it, like so well, like he just, he just knew exactly what to say.
[00:27:15] I feel like it's that, that charm again, um, kicking in there and I feel like he just has. He has his own past that I feel like is equally fascinating. Whether it be like spending eight years kind of, I don't know, figuring out the background of a book. Um, just kind of crazy. So yeah, I, I just feel like we're.
[00:27:36] We're introduced to this, this cast a very, I think likable intriguing characters at the very least, uh, if you don't like them. And so, uh, it's cool to kind of notice their background.
[00:27:46] Emma: [00:27:46] I even want to make a note really quick. I also, we don't even meet him yet, but I'm enjoying so far, this buildup of Duke, you don't see him, but we're already getting some insight [00:28:00] into him for reputation.
[00:28:02] And yeah, this part, I feel like it's a double-edged sword because. It's a lot to live up to. They're definitely making this Duke out, like be as big guy or just like, not like big guy, but like, you know, intense guy. Yeah. And I feel like that would be really intimidating as kind of a fresh face at the time actor like Humphrey Bogart to make sure you deliver on all these promises that these other characters are making about this character.
[00:28:30] So I don't know. Just really cool. And boy, I do think they deliver.
[00:28:34] Jack: [00:28:34] She delivers. Definitely. Definitely. We actually, we get backgrounds more on, uh, all the characters here. We find out that Gabrielle's mother was a French war bride who fell in love with Jason when he was a young, handsome American servicemen, leaving her Dole defeated man after world war one.
[00:28:49] And moving back to France, when Gabrielle was a baby, she now sends poetry to Gabrielle who dreams of moving to Borsch, where her parents first met to become an artist. Alan tells his [00:29:00] story, how he wrote one novel, then lived in France for eight years with his publisher's wife, trying to write another. And Gabrielle is instantly smitten with him.
[00:29:08] So kind of cool. Like, uh, I do like this backstory, I feel like this is where the motives really become more solidified. And we find out that Alan isn't maybe. I dunno like a bad person necessarily, but that he just has like his own sort of almost like a self discovery journey going on here, um, after maybe finding some initial success and, you know, dealing with that.
[00:29:32] And, um, not only that, but Gabrielle who we find out, you know, has this French blood in her, this sort of romance. This, this air who, which I don't know. I don't know. Maybe if Alan would feel the same way if she didn't have that kind of story that like that background about her, if you would still think of her as this kind of like, I don't know this, uh, this Joan of arc, you know, he says and all this stuff.
[00:29:54] So it makes me curious, but I think like you see the intrigue between both of them [00:30:00] for each other, and it's, it's cool to. I think, like, see just how instantly they click, because there are some people like that in the real world when you just you're, you're talking with them and it seems like everything is just it's hitting and it's clicking on every level.
[00:30:14] So this just felt very kind of real to me, even though like it's very fast and, um, I don't know. People might say that it's not as. Well-developed or might not be as realistic, but I think that, uh, there are moments where it does feel kind of like lifelike, where it's just like you have that instant connection with them.
[00:30:31] Emma: [00:30:31] Yeah, totally. I totally get Gabrielle crushing on Allen. And I mean, after seeing bows too, like I get it. Uh, that's, you know, slim pickings for Gabrielle and the sky is pretty intriguing and yeah, I love the backstories. I think it's really fun to learn that Gabrielle is just extremely sympathetic. I mean, I feel like there's this common narrative or trope with like, Oh, this [00:31:00] parent left the family and it's like, screw you.
[00:31:03] I hate them. And she's like, no, I want to be her. I don't know. That was just interesting to me. Yeah, Alice backstory. I just, I want to remind everyone here that the production code guidelines are in full force when this movie comes out. And I do feel like they kind of toe around kind of mature subject matter a little bit with this like wife publisher's wife thing, and maybe like an affair situation and I don't know, whatever.
[00:31:31] Jack: [00:31:31] All right, cool. So, yes, we got this nice little background established here. And then after that Gabrielle shows Ellen her paintings. The first time she has shown them to anyone and read him a favorite Francoise. The own poem. Bose hurts linger, a beefy diner employee who is wooed, Gabrielle, and vain grows jealous of Alan who decides to leave forthwith.
[00:31:49] He mooches a ride from wealthy tourists. Mr. And Mrs. Chisholm. But after only a few minutes on the road, they encounter Duke Mancy and notorious gangster fleeing a massive [00:32:00] police pursuit whose cars broken down. So you can just gang sees the Chisholm's car and drive to the diner where Duke is arranged the rendezvous with his girlfriend, Doris on their way to Mexico, Ellen, that has ohms and their chauffeur.
[00:32:12] Soon, make their way back to the diner as well.
[00:32:15] Emma: [00:32:15] Anyone else here getting some pre wizard of Oz vibes? Yeah, Andrea, yes. Came up before that movie. I love. A rural girl, trying to Bree, rural girl realtor. It's
[00:32:32] Jack: [00:32:32] so hard. It's such a hard word to say acrobatic.
[00:32:37] Emma: [00:32:37] I love a rural girl trying to break free trope. Yeah.
[00:32:42] Okay. I just, um, Bose, I, I just strongly was really disliking him at first and it's like, what about the guy in the football Jersey? And I'm like, Oh, Ruining her chances, Allan, and like this. And I'm like, this meat head is getting jealous. This is just [00:33:00] a go away. Bose was just not thrilled with him at this point in time.
[00:33:05] And I don't know, Alan is mysterious and you know what? Okay. You know, what's crazy. And I think that this is evidence that Betty Davis is a pretty strong actress. This character Gabrielle is giving strong. Pick me girl vibes. And yet it's not coming off that desperate still kind of like, yeah, she's really
[00:33:31] Jack: [00:33:31] wait, pick me as in like what, what type of way?
[00:33:33] Just like the fact that she just wants, like, I'm thinking like,
[00:33:37] Emma: [00:33:37] you know, she is like, it's a, like a cool girl, but then it's like, This like, pick me, pick me. I'm great. Like I'm amazing. And just being overly, overly pushing yourself maybe a little bit, um, trying to be the one. So I don't know. I just thought, and she's just all like, Yeah.
[00:33:57] Jack: [00:33:57] At the same time, didn't she say that she wanted to stay [00:34:00] single forever. Yeah. But
[00:34:02] Emma: [00:34:02] you know what? I think actions can contradict words Sarah A. Little
[00:34:05] Jack: [00:34:05] bit. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. I mean, maybe Allen sees this. Maybe he's just kind of got that. Um, the inter that inner. Romanticism about him, where he's like, it was a fleeing fleeting moment.
[00:34:17] And, um, I mean he delivers some, some great lines. A few of my personal favorites are, uh, the one just about like the most interesting things that he found, uh, along like all of his travels in Europe and, you know, America up to this point where, uh, an old man missed by Billy, the kid and a fine girl who reads the own.
[00:34:35] And I just said, I thought that was just such a smooth line. I think he's so smooth. Uh, yeah. Oh my gosh. Leslie Howard, just. Amazing delivery. Uh, the old, like, This is a little bit of the, you know, pick me girl vibe here where I get what you're saying when she's like, do you think I'm attractive? And it's, it's kind of like an alley.
[00:34:56] And he, uh, he responds by saying, you know, there [00:35:00] are better words than that for what? Yeah. I thought that was some Berry under rated quotes where I just, I Googled them after I was like, this has to be famous. And they, I mean, they just didn't pop up. And so I was like, wow. Like I just really, I personally just really liked those.
[00:35:17] And so yeah, she does kind of, I think give off those vibes at some point, but it's like you said, it's not in this way that it's overdone, I think. And so. It does kind of go under the radar and, uh, it's a little entrancing maybe. Yeah. Hard balancing act. Yeah. Yeah. She does have this sort of like look to her.
[00:35:37] Um, maybe it's her eyes. She's got Betty Davis, Betty Davis. She has got Betty. Um, so yeah, I think that it's just one of those things where, uh, you just kind of fall into the, uh, The trends and you just kind of accept it for what it is.
[00:35:57] Emma: [00:35:57] I, uh, I like, uh, Alan [00:36:00] saying me, I kissed you goodbye. And look at that.
[00:36:03] That's consensual kink folks. Not like that. Bose Hertz. Slinger. What, what a name?
[00:36:08] Jack: [00:36:08] Absolutely not. I think that, that, I mean, there are some good and I mean, good kisses in this like class C as well. Like it is classic classy, just. Powerful. You're just watching it. And you're like, Oh man. Yes. Yes. Like, I can't remember the last time that I watched a movie and I was just like, so into, I guess just kind of like the underlying feelings of like, what's not being said between two characters and I don't know why this one just really hit with me, but, um, but yeah, everything between Allen and Gabrielle is just.
[00:36:46] Amazing amazing to watch. And I think that not only that, but you know, Mr. Mrs. Chisholm and their amazing, amazing show for Joseph. Um, who's one of the most underrated [00:37:00] characters in the movie, maybe. Uh, but I just, I love the dynamic between them and I, I'm a little curious as to why Alan. Left, but I, I think that he planned on coming back after he saw the Pacific did his thing.
[00:37:14] Um, I think he would have came back. So. That's just my, my vibe that I'm getting that maybe he just had to see his journey through. But I do think that he really enjoyed this time with Gabrielle
[00:37:30] Emma: [00:37:30] before we move on to interject this little fun fact here, because I was personally like, it was a great history, fun factoid for me. Gabrielle goes, tipping is un-American. We don't allow it. Yes. Ah, how the tables have turned since this movie came out. I had no idea the history of tipping in the States, but I just got to read this for my MTV.
[00:37:55] This is amazing. So the opposition to tipping in America began in the [00:38:00] 1890s and continued through the 1930s before the civil war tipping was uncommon in the States. And by the late 18 hundreds, the custom was then imported from Europe. Now Americans began to work. I worry that tipping would create a master servant relationship between the customer and the worker, and would undermine the ability for workers to earn a fair wage.
[00:38:26] And it was considered un-American because it resembles European aristocratic class systems and customs. And then in 1904, the anti-tau typic society of America, which I didn't even know was a thing was formed in Georgia. And then it had a hundred thousand members sign pledges to not tip anyone for a year.
[00:38:51] So then in 1909, Washington became the first of six States to pass an anti tipping law, but [00:39:00] tipping still kind of persisted. And then by 1926, every anti tipping wa was then repealed. And that is just mind blowing to me because I feel like when you travel, Americans are known for being good tippers or just like tipping in general, like tipping is such.
[00:39:21] Uh, like, I feel like I tip everyone. You got, like, I feel like that's just so part of our culture to tip everyone and to hear this just like in a historical perspective, that was just a really cool learning lesson for me. So I appreciate it.
[00:39:36] Jack: [00:39:36] Yeah. Now there are some good like miracle moments because I mean, it's, it's in the middle of the great depression and.
[00:39:42] Uh, for anybody that's curious about it. The history of the West in the United States is just absolutely fascinating. I really did not learn about it until I moved out here. But yeah, I think that those are really interesting points that you bring up about tipping in a kind of reminds me about. [00:40:00] Uber when Uber was first starting and how there wasn't tipping allowed and how people actually kind of liked that.
[00:40:06] And they were like, I don't have to worry about a tip. It's just kind of included. And yeah, there's something that almost feels nicer about not having to worry about it, but, um, if you feel like someone deserves more than, yeah, you're gonna want to just give them more. And so, um, I think it is cool to see just how.
[00:40:25] That plays out in the historical context. And it's fun if you're just like a history nerd kind of like us, and you're just, you had no clue about it. Um, so yeah, the, the anti tipping society of America, I can't believe that existed at one point, but, um, that's just kind of what you learned here on the old school movie podcast and in the petrified forest.
[00:40:43] So. We, uh, we saw Mr. Mrs. Chisholm, Ellen hopping a ride. And you know, me talking about how I am sure that he's going to come back to the petrified forest and this diner, as soon as he sees the Pacific, but on his way out. The Chisholm [00:41:00] party is stopped by none other than Duke Manatee, Duke Manatee Manti himself.
[00:41:09] Oh my goodness. These shots are just beautiful. So dark. I love the shadows and just like nighttime in the desert is just something, something else. And the shots show the car and the radio is kind of describing everything that's in the car. I love the way that this is done, the way that this is just kind of gently showing us this, this dangerous group.
[00:41:33] And yeah, it, at first I'm not going to lie. I was very nervous about bogeys accent and just if I was going to enjoy the movie and continue to enjoy it as much as I was up until that point. And it honestly just made me enjoy it even more. I I'm almost expecting this, you know, dark brutal gangster just off the description, but it's like, as soon as we see him and I don't even know if this was the intention [00:42:00] I'm getting like misunderstood and noble beef.
[00:42:04] Vibes maybe. Yeah. Like victim of circumstance growing up in the system or whatever. Yeah. I dunno. That's just kind of what I felt as it progressed, but I'd be curious to hear what you thought.
[00:42:21] Emma: [00:42:21] So, I mean, I'm so used to Humphrey Bogart and you know, his more established. Self and the other films he's in and then to see a baby Humphrey, like my, that, like I was like, Oh my God, he's so young.
[00:42:36] There's this total sense of vulnerability with it. And I had to kind of regress my mind a little bit, um, and in a way that, that, that was kind of a fun thing for me to see someone in their real life, not. Quite used to things. And then, and for this character to be kind of trying their best and like, you know, they're not [00:43:00] exactly doing great things, but, uh, trying their best at their goals and feeling struggles and like this complexity to it.
[00:43:08] So I don't know there was this huge sense of vulnerability to him. It was a cool delivery upon. Like it w it wasn't, uh, like, you know, when you purchase something online and then it comes in, it's like, Oh, that's not what I expected. Like, this was kind of like, yeah, I was expecting one thing and maybe it was a little different, but I almost liked it better.
[00:43:33] That was cool. And I mean, a couple of things stand out for me. I think it is so worth noting. One of these gangsters is a man of color and in a way, It was so refreshing to me to see a black man playing a role that isn't hired help, uh, case in point the Chisholm's chauffeur, which I do like he's great. I loved his earlier little pet scene.
[00:44:00] [00:44:00] Um, but it was. Cool to see a man of color in a, like a villainous dynamic type role where they're not being a servant of sorts.
[00:44:13] Jack: [00:44:13] They were equal.
[00:44:14] Emma: [00:44:14] Yes. I know like Humphrey burger, it's like the head gangster, but I mean, you know, he clearly relied on this guy, so it's just wild to think that this role for this guy might have inspired slim.
[00:44:28] Might've inspired. Succeeding roles that would go on. I mean, I'm looking at this guy and I'm like, okay, this is the kind of guy that's paving the way for roles for Harry belts, and other actors of color that would come up in the fifties and sixties and so on. So. That was just cool to see these roles are few and far between, but look at that they're chipping away.
[00:44:51] Jack: [00:44:51] Okay. Easily could have been like a white person totally could have made slim white, but like the, the conversations between slim [00:45:00] and Joseph, the chauffeur are some of my favorite moments in the entire movie, you know, like between slim, slim is like, He is just so equal. It seems like so, so modern. He's just like, hi brother.
[00:45:14] And then Joseph is like this kind of, I don't know, like forced refined, um, but maybe unnatural kind of like good evening. And I just, I love the dynamic between those two as, as it goes on and, um, him trying to get him to drink and like, he's like, do you want to drink? And then Joseph's asking, you know, Mr.
[00:45:32] Chism and some is just like, no, I asked you, like, do you want a drink? I, I thought that it was just so yeah, it was just amazing to see. And the thing is like, you know, slim Thompson who plays slim may not go down is the most famous actor in history, but it's like you said, he and others are the ones that paved the way.
[00:45:56] And, um, Yeah. I mean, I just thought that [00:46:00] his moments in the film were just so refreshing and so nice to see. Uh, I just, I loved it and, um, yeah, he just seemed so like, uh, confident in himself. I think that's what I liked as well.
[00:46:13] Emma: [00:46:13] Yeah. And then like, you know, they all eventually end up at the diner and okay.
[00:46:19] Here it is. This is when it hit me. This is structurally reminding me. A little bit of diehard slash Paul Blart. Yes. Yes. It definitely. This like hostage genre movie on the map here, uh, like you've got your heroine women and then you have this annoying tool that thinks they know it all. And that they're all that.
[00:46:46] And I know that you can, if you've seen all three of those movies like this. Diehard Paul Blart. I know that you are just picturing the face that goes along with each of that generalized role. I don't know. I was like getting a lot of diehard [00:47:00] vibes and I'm like, there's no way. Or if, you know, if they didn't use this as a reference, you just see how it
[00:47:05] Jack: [00:47:05] works.
[00:47:06] Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy for me that you said diehard, because I think that's what. I was searching for earlier. And it's almost like if John McClain was the villain in hon Uber was like the main love interest. Like that's the like role reversal that I would equate this to. And so, yeah, if that doesn't interest you folks and you haven't seen this, but you're enjoying this so far, go watch the petrified forest and see for yourself because I feel like that is a very, I don't know, personally, on a.
[00:47:37] Uh, I guess like call there. It's a good call. Maybe we'll see
[00:47:42] Emma: [00:47:42] that Alan comes back. I feel like this is going to be a curb, your enthusiasm reference, but, um, I hate a double goodbye. So awkward. Yeah. Traumatic farewell. Perfect memory to remember him by and now he's back. Oh
[00:47:58] Jack: [00:47:58] yeah. It's tough. It's [00:48:00] tough. But Ellen, indifferent to the hostage situation does engage Duke in lively conversation and toast him as.
[00:48:07] The last great apostle of rugged individualism, Bose snatches a rifle and gets the drop on Duke. But during a momentary distraction, Duke draws his pistol and shoots bows in the hand, regaining control. Duke learns that Doris has been captured and has revealed their rendezvous locations. The police as police and federal agents converge on the diner do prepares to flee, announcing that he will take Mr.
[00:48:30] And Mrs. Chisholm with him.
[00:48:33] Emma: [00:48:33] Ooh. Well, first of all, I'm loving that grant is having the time of his life.
[00:48:37] Jack: [00:48:37] I know. Yeah, no, he's like, you're going to kill him. That's kind of what you're talking about earlier where he's kind of like a child in that sense, so excited. And it's like the tensest situation ever.
[00:48:48] Like you genuinely think Bose is going to get killed when you know, he's, he's hating on the group and you know, you got Duke saying like, turn up that volume there and Oh my God. It's just like, okay. I am on [00:49:00] the edge. I'm on the edge of my seat and yeah, you have grandpa coming into diffuse, everything like you gotta get killed.
[00:49:05] Like he just wants to see some action.
[00:49:09] Emma: [00:49:09] Oh yeah. This is just a movie he's just popping his popcorn.
[00:49:12] Jack: [00:49:12] Yeah. Honestly, I feel like Duke loves pops too. You know, he's just like, you know, I feel like there's just a little bit of a comradery almost, um, going on in the, in the situation again, like I'm feeling like Duke is like, Somewhat more redeemable than we think.
[00:49:31] I don't know. I mean, like, could he have killed, he could have killed down. He could have killed all these people if you want it to, but he didn't. I feel like Bose at the very least could have gotten killed. Um, and yeah, maybe he missed his, uh, I guess his shot and got his hand instead of him. But, um, maybe, maybe, maybe not.
[00:49:50] I don't know. And so, yeah, I think that. Yeah, Duke is just so dynamic just because I feel like there's more good in him maybe than we, but that could just [00:50:00] be me. I'm not sure.
[00:50:02] Emma: [00:50:02] Yeah. Definitely. Victim of circumstance vibes, to an extent, I feel like maybe it's a domino situation and he just kept going and going and going and he's to the point of no return.
[00:50:13] Yeah. It's very interesting.
[00:50:15] Jack: [00:50:15] I mean, he said, he said he was raised in the prison. Yeah. The reason jail. Yeah.
[00:50:19] Emma: [00:50:19] Yeah, exactly. I mean, look at that commentary on the system and like, and I don't know, is it just me, or is Humphrey Bogart particularly handsome in this movie? Like our rug guide, the beard? I don't know, but I mean, she's just delivering.
[00:50:37] Yeah. Yeah. And I, in a weird way, I think you're right. It's like John McClean vibes. It's like reversed it's reversed types in each bad guy. Good guy. Uh, I don't know. So evil John McClain. I dunno. He's just coming off as cool. And, um, and I, I was so surprised and again, again, hallmark of a good. [00:51:00] Story is when a character surprised me.
[00:51:01] I did not expect Bose to try to burn hero, good guy here for a second. Cause I was hating him. I was hating him and I'm like, Oh wow, okay. Try to do
[00:51:13] Jack: [00:51:13] something. Yeah. Um, and I, I dunno, there's just something about the scenes where someone gets shot and you know, there's like very little effect that happens.
[00:51:22] Like almost no effect, probably like these are just blinks, they're firing, but, um, I don't know what it is, but it's just, it, it resonates more, maybe like it's less violent. It's more, I don't know, emotionally jarring. And so, um, yeah, I love watching. I love watching Boz get his hand shot, but, um, like I just, I, you know, between this and, uh, everything else, I feel like, you know, once.
[00:51:48] The, the actual fighting starts once. I can't remember the name, the exact name of the other, kind of the bigger guy with the hat that the guy from Duke's gang, but when he gets shot from the polices, they [00:52:00] come closer. Uh, it, I dunno, it just. I, I like it. I have nothing more to say other than that, I like it.
[00:52:07] And, um, yeah, the stage is just set for a very tense climax here where we see that inspired by Bose's active courage. Alan has an inspiration while Gabrielle is in the back room, bandaging Bose's hand, he produces a life insurance policy from his bag and amends it, making Gabrielle the beneficiary. Then he asks Duke to kill him where he says it couldn't make any difference to you, Duke.
[00:52:30] They can only hang you once. And so he says this so that Gabrielle can use the insurance money to realize her dream of moving to France, Duke obliges then leaves with as human shields, Alan dies and Gabrielle's arms secure in the knowledge that she, unlike the rest will escape her dead-end existence to pursue her dreams.
[00:52:49] So, Whoa, this is crazy because I don't think Duke would have killed him. If Alan didn't ask. And not [00:53:00] only that, but I, I mean, there was a moment where I just thought maybe Duke just straight up, won't kill him because, um, Uh, it just didn't seem like he, he would, uh, I feel like, um, not only that, I think it's kind of hilarious how, how almost free the women are to kind of go about their business while being hostages.
[00:53:19] Um, like they aren't a threat at all. So do kind of just let's, uh, you know, Gabrielle just walk around, you know, almost pick up everyone's drinks and fix everything. So I just kinda thought that was funny more than anything else. I know that's probably not right, but, um, It was interesting to notice that he didn't really care what she was doing.
[00:53:41] Holly Genero
[00:53:42] Emma: [00:53:42] and diehard. She was kind of the liaison between the terrorists and the, and the people.
[00:53:47] Jack: [00:53:47] This is the O G diehards.
[00:53:50] Emma: [00:53:50] So I don't know I get it. Um, but wow. At this point, I'm like, there's no way. There's no way, the way things unfolded. I, you are kind [00:54:00] of at this state of like, you don't know if it's going to go down or not, because I agree.
[00:54:04] I'm like, I don't really see, um, Manti doing this and at the same time, I dunno, it was just, yeah. So, Oh my gosh. I never even thought about this, but when Gabrielle was like, well, once he leaves, this'll be a huge tourist zone and I'm like, yeah, she probably could make a good amount of money that way. I didn't even think about that.
[00:54:30] And so maybe this, why does this life insurance thing need to go down, but I get it. Um, okay. And just, wow, amazing, amazing, amazing. Here. As we're celebrating women's history month, Mrs. Chisholm talking about giving up her goals and women having to give up their dreams for their obligations, whatever they may be.
[00:54:52] Bam feminism. And with that ladies and gentlemen, I think we just pass the Bechdel test.
[00:54:57] Jack: [00:54:57] Ooh,
[00:55:02] [00:55:00] this is amazing guys. We love the petrified forest. We love the petrified forest and yeah. Misses and like saying that what she was ready to give it all up rear
[00:55:13] Emma: [00:55:13] and stuff, and then like, um, and then this, and then she got sucked into this life and yeah. That I just re focuses the story on women. And I like that there's this lens of women and women's issues.
[00:55:28] And I mean the whole story centers around everyone giving up their dreams or like your goals and motivations and what you want out of life. And then things not coming to fruition, but I liked that they specified it particularly for women. Yeah. I don't think there's anything. I mean, like, yes, there's kind of like a male element involved, but a lot of it had to do with career and goals and dreams.
[00:55:50] Yeah.
[00:55:50] Jack: [00:55:50] So I don't know. Yeah. Two things to me that immediately stand out here that I definitely want to talk about our. One, the kiss between Alan and [00:56:00] Gabrielle, as they're kind of like on the ground, in this glorious shootout, one of the best shootouts I've ever seen and one of the best kisses, like it is just so.
[00:56:09] I dunno, just so passionate. Emma, what are you gonna say? Literally,
[00:56:12] Emma: [00:56:12] am I note? I wrote, Oh wow. What a kiss. That might be one of my favorite movie kisses I've ever seen. I'm not lying. I'm not lying.
[00:56:19] Jack: [00:56:19] That's what I, yeah, it's one of the best. It's one of the best. And so was I expecting that and going into watching the petrified forest?
[00:56:27] No, not at all. I did not think that we were going to get one of the best kisses. Yeah. Like of all time. Um, but that's just it. And you can, you can't even really see the kiss because I think you can just kind of see like the top of the heads, but there, um, yeah, it's just, you know, like it's so unique, it's not your typical angle, like you said.
[00:56:46] And, um, that, between that and watching Duke Manti. Not Manatee watching Duke kind of go back and forth between everyone shouting at him to do one [00:57:00] thing or the other, and then him going back and forth between himself and then ultimately choosing, but sadly too late to, to run and try and flee for his own independence and freedom instead of revenge.
[00:57:12] I think it was just one of the greatest moments, uh, of recent memory, uh, for me that I've seen in a movie, like that was just amazing acting. I could just, I could just feel it. And, um, I think that just made me a bogey, Stan. I think that just made me understand. So, so yeah, any, uh, any last kind of partying.
[00:57:33] Thoughts moments here that you want to talk about before we sign off.
[00:57:37] Emma: [00:57:37] Wow. I mean, I just really enjoy this. Thank you. So, so much to our listener for recommending this to us again, just generally speaking, I love hearing what other movies people like. Cause I certainly have not seen every movie out there.
[00:57:50] So I like hearing what I might be missing something underrated. Some sometimes they fall through the cracks. You know, this was like a very dynamic period of films being [00:58:00] produced in the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties. Um, and sometimes you miss something and I'm just so happy that we got to watch this.
[00:58:07] Oh, I would love to see the alternate ending. Uh, ultimately I highly agree with the audience, the test audience, this was the right call because it aligns with the messages and themes of the rest of the story with realizing your goal or not in this meadow way. Um, Yeah. So, and like how Alan achieves that kind of through his death, which I still, I was shocked or shocked couldn't believe it went, but not shocked.
[00:58:31] Like I was just like, wow, he really shot him.
[00:58:33] Jack: [00:58:33] Like, yeah, no, he did it. I did not think he really did it. So
[00:58:38] Emma: [00:58:38] very interesting story. Very interesting movies. So worth 80 something minutes of your time, if you're just looking for something you haven't seen before, uh, very cool Gothic vibes. Great. Great. Acting from everyone, but definitely your top three build stars there with Humphrey, Leslie, Betty.
[00:58:57] And it was, yeah. Super fun to see [00:59:00] Humphrey super young. Very cool. I just enjoyed it.
[00:59:03] Jack: [00:59:03] Enjoyed it, enjoyed it. Yeah, definitely. It was a healthy Wallace classic. The man who was also behind Casa Blanca also produced this amazing, amazing film, the petrified forest. So definitely check it out. Also fan let us know what you think on our social media, ultimately podcast on Instagram, also put on Twitter.
[00:59:19] Oh, yeah. And, uh, look out
[00:59:20] Emma: [00:59:20] for our March badness movie bracket, select our next movie that we cover on the podcast, the selection Sunday, we're kind of corresponding with the real March madness for basketball out there. Um, take a look at her Instagram story. It will
[00:59:33] Jack: [00:59:33] be up there. Yeah, can't wait folks. It's going to be fun until then stay safe, take care.
[00:59:38] And we cannot wait to have you back on the ultimate movie podcast here soon.