Happy Valentine’s Weekend Old Soul Fam! Back by popular demand is another episode is our infamous Dealer’s Choice! For those unfamiliar, Emma picks a film for Jack to watch that she’s seen and he hasn’t, and Jack picks one for Emma that she hasn’t seen and he has. It’s a double shot of Hepburns as the selections feature both Katherine in Adam's Rib (1949) and Audrey in Sabrina (1954). Join the party and have a laugh as we talk about these vintage romantic comedies together.
Happy Valentine’s Weekend Old Soul Fam! Back by popular demand is another episode is our infamous Dealer’s Choice! For those unfamiliar, Emma picks a film for Jack to watch that she’s seen and he hasn’t, and Jack picks one for Emma that she hasn’t seen and he has. It’s a double shot of Hepburns as the selections feature both Katherine in Adam's Rib (1949) and Audrey in Sabrina (1954). Join the party and have a laugh as we talk about these vintage romantic comedies together.
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Dealer's Choice: Sabrina (1954) and Adam's Rib (1949)
[00:00:00] Jack: [00:00:00] welcome to the old soul movie podcast. You are number one spot for classic movie rewashes and breakdowns. My name is Jack Oremus, and I'm here with my sister, Emma Oremus. We decided that we wanted to make a show that reflected our love and appreciation for classic movies. And while you're here, hopefully we can share that together as an old soul family, we're going to be diving to these movies scene by scene and giving our modern reactions to the films that have influenced generations of people.
[00:00:39] There'll be fun. Facts, heartaches, tears, laughter, and everything in between. And with that being said, sit back. Relax and enjoy the show.
[00:01:00] [00:00:59] Welcome back everyone to another episode of the old soul movie podcast. And today we have a little dealer's choice. Uh, we enjoyed the last one so much. What was it now? I'm in like a month or two ago? Um, choice November. So, uh, we had to bring back. The dealer's choice sort of format where I select a movie that Emma has not seen.
[00:01:23] And she selects a movie that I haven't seen, not hard to do, but Emma, how are you today? Uh, on this glorious, glorious. February day.
[00:01:33] Emma: [00:01:33] Exactly. Valentine's day happy Valentine's or Galentine's to all of our listeners. I'm pretty excited, Jack and I are rocking some pink and red outfits today and we are ready to go for our little Valentines romcom.
[00:01:52] Jack: [00:01:52] Oh, absolutely. Yeah. We decided that we wanted to have this be a little romcom theme, thought it fit the bill. Uh, [00:02:00] Emma, the movie that I selected for you was a little movie from 1949 called Adam's rib, which if you're not familiar with it is about a courtroom rivalry, which finds its way into a household.
[00:02:11] When a prosecuting lawyer, Adam Bonner played by Spencer Tracy faces off against his wife. Amanda played by Katherine Hepburn, who happens to be a defense attorney working on opposite sides of a lawsuit where a woman, Judy holiday has shot her cheating husband. Tom, you will, Adam and Amanda are both determined to win the case and their home becomes a setting for comical showdowns with neither spouse willing to relent.
[00:02:34] Emma, how did you like this? Or do you want to, you know, give your movie maybe a little teaser for the one that you selected for me. Yes.
[00:02:42] Emma: [00:02:42] Okay. So for Jack, I was just split, split, torn into a million pieces. Did not know which movie to give you. I was actually in between a couple Audrey Hepburn movies, and I narrowed it down to Sabrina or funny face, but [00:03:00] because you haven't seen Sabrina because I feel like that's such a well-known one.
[00:03:04] I was like, Yeah, we gotta, we gotta knock that one out. And yeah, so we have a little Hepburn Hepburn, double feature, which is pretty exciting, Adrianne Catherine, but yeah, so Sabrina is a 1954 film directed by Billy Wilder. It is based off the book, Sabrina fare by Samuel a tailor it stars, Humphrey Bogart, Audrey Hepburn, William Holden, and.
[00:03:29] Essentially, I didn't write out the synopsis or take it from Wikipedia, but essentially a chauffeur's daughter has a mad crush on one of the sons of the household that they work for. And he doesn't really seem to notice her. She gets a little bit of a glow up and he starts to notice her, which is not the most convenient thing for the family and their business deal.
[00:03:56] So the other brother. Tries to kind of [00:04:00] distract her and take her attentions off
[00:04:03] Jack: [00:04:03] him. Yeah. I, again, I, um, I went into it, not knowing a thing about it. Didn't look it up at all before. So I was very, very surprised with, I think, how everything ended up unfolding, but, um, but, Oh man, this is going to be a fun episode, but do you want to talk a little bit about Adam's rib?
[00:04:21] What did you, uh, what'd you like, what'd you dislike about it or what was your reaction? Okay.
[00:04:26] Emma: [00:04:26] Okay. So where do we even begin? All right. So, obviously this is one of the nine movies that Katherine Hepburn and Spencer, Tracy had been in together. And I actually, you know, I will say generally speaking, I haven't seen a ton of their movies together, so I was excited to knock this out because they were such an iconic pair.
[00:04:50] They were very well-known onscreen and offscreen couple. So, yeah, that was really fun to see this. Um, also, I mean, it's just kind of. [00:05:00] Interesting at the time with how movie stars were, and then being under contract with the studios that still being a really common practice, the studios, having a lot of say and control over their stars, lives and projects.
[00:05:15] And to my knowledge. Katherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy kind of had the most Liberty out of all of MGMs stars under contract. And, uh, they were very bankable. So I think this was their sixth one together. Uh, yeah, so they kind of had that freedom to do certain projects. And this is also Jean Hagan's first movie ever, uh, pre her being Lena Lamott.
[00:05:38] In, uh, singing in the rain. So that was really fun to see her in a, in a different role, such an early role. And it was kind of fun to see Judy holiday also who plays Doris because she was up for Laura. Why in gentlemen prefer blondes. And that was interesting to kind of see those Laurel live vibes in this character maybe, but yeah, some of the background [00:06:00] stuff was really fun.
[00:06:01] Okay. So let's start at the beginning. Very cute opening credits. I love the little. Play act title cards. And I thought it was just going to be the beginning, but it ended up being throughout the movie. And I thought there was a pretty charming touch, but wow. It was followed by a very, very intense shooting scene.
[00:06:22] I than not expect that. I mean, I, I saw kind of a neurotic woman in the beginning, but I didn't really know that we were going to hit the action, uh, run in there. So that was, that was crazy. And yeah, this. Quite a feminist movie or at least maybe like progressive for women type of movie. Uh, I loved all the calling out of double standards in definitely heavy in the first half with the, uh, double standards of cheating, uh, w like women drivers smoking.
[00:06:58] There's a lot of like, [00:07:00] Identifying what we, gender is male or female, which I thought was pretty cool for a movie in the forties. And I thought it was cool that Katharine Hepburn's character, Amanda owned her own practice. And it seems like a very women oriented law firm. So that was really cool to see also, um,
[00:07:20] Jack: [00:07:20] question question, I guess like before we kind of move on, so.
[00:07:25] We've kind of discussed. I mean, this is the old soul movie podcast we cover, you know, decades and decades, generations worth of films here. Do you think that some of those earlier kind of films, whether it be in the forties or thirties were more feminist in nature, like more so than some of the ones kind of around the mid century, mid to late century, like as far as themes go, because I feel like some of them are a lot more progressive.
[00:07:50] Or just, I think show women in a more powerful role, which is kind of like the essence or even the tagline of like what Adam's rib is, you know, who wears the [00:08:00] pants. So what, what are your thoughts on that? You see it,
[00:08:03] Emma: [00:08:03] uh, quite a mix, you know, I there's definitely, especially in the film Duar category, you get those femme fatales, which is a response to women rising in the workplace, but then you get a movie like this that is.
[00:08:19] Promoting that that's okay. Be a strong woman. Yes. Like, yes, Queens rise up. And I mean, we have to remember that this came out after the war and during the war, a lot of women were working and out of the house and there was this kind of cultural shift in how women were viewed. And so then after the war, you do get kind of that.
[00:08:41] A mix of like re repression. I feel like oppression and also pushed back push forwards. And it just depends on the movie, but yeah, it's fun to kind of identify given the historical context of what's going on. Like, you look at the great depression. You look at the worrying twenties, you [00:09:00] look at the forties, fifties, sixties, and just look at like what's going on in the world.
[00:09:05] And then point out people that are. Fighting either way. It's kinda like movies with the, um, with the, with the Hollywood list, there's going to be movies that are like, yes, the black was just keeping us safe and you have others that are like, this is disgusting. And you know, it's a witch hunt. So I feel like you see that with feminist movies too.
[00:09:27] There's both like the movements of it moving forward. And you have the people trying to regress. This for sure is a movie, uh, trying to push forward for women. And Katherine Hepburn was such a champion for that movement. For women being seen as strong, independent outspoken. She was really a huge. Vision and picture of that in the old Hollywood era.
[00:09:54] So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that she was in this project too.
[00:09:59] Jack: [00:09:59] Yeah. I [00:10:00] was going to say, what did surprise you? I think the most as you were watching it, whenever kind of things came up was anything. Unexpected or, uh, overall, like how did you, how did you enjoy it genuinely like it, or was it kind of like, eh, okay.
[00:10:15] Emma: [00:10:15] I would say I would kind of put this as, I think it's kind of a weird little movie. That's how I liked. That's how it left me feeling where I'm kind of like, I didn't dislike it. I just found it of interest. Like it just kind of piqued my curiosity and made me think about. I don't know the context in which it came out in and stuff.
[00:10:39] I found it. I thought that the writing was wet. Like I thought it was well crafted in the, in terms of writing and the parallels. Do you know what the court case and like their, their real life and marriage and stuff. Uh, so that was, that was cool. There were things I liked about it. It's probably not my favorite movie ever, but.
[00:11:00] [00:11:00] I dunno. I just thought it was kind of a weird movie that made me think so. Yeah. I didn't dislike it, but I wouldn't be like, I have to watch that again. There's actually probably other movies. I just like prefer, I guess, with that same message, but
[00:11:18] Jack: [00:11:18] that's totally fair. I mean, there are a lot of romantic comedies out there.
[00:11:21] And even for me watching Sabrina, I feel like. One of the things that is definitely, or is just very, uh, notable kind of throughout the years is just how comedy has changed. Like what makes it a romantic comedy back in the day is much different. I think then. What makes romantic comedy today? I feel like there's a huge shift in, uh, I guess just society, you know, a lot of things have, um, obviously changed since 1949 in 1954.
[00:11:52] So yeah, some of it doesn't feel quite as funny. Maybe it is like, I don't even know what. A good example today [00:12:00] would be maybe like, I mean, we both love my best friend's wedding. I feel like that's a great one if you're looking for a modern romcom, but, uh, yeah. I don't know why you feel about sort of like the generational differences.
[00:12:14] Emma: [00:12:14] Yeah. I mean, it's definitely changes. I think what's interesting to me is both, both with both our movies that we selected, there is a slight sense of seriousness or drama attached. Whereas today I feel like romcoms are pretty, pretty. Yeah, pretty lighthearted for 95 with maybe like a small ounce of Oh no, but you know, so I dunno, you definitely see that change, but other things that were of note to me, yeah.
[00:12:46] Just kind of like the gendering of emotions. I liked that they called out that women can experience anger and have that emotion. I love that it wasn't twisted. And I liked that they showed that men can be sad and cry. Okay. And it was just really [00:13:00] interesting watching. This courtroom situation in comparison to something else like anatomy of a murder, uh, I would refer you to our anatomy of a murder episode for more thoughts on, I know the fence, not guilty by reason of insanity, all that stuff.
[00:13:18] Uh, but specifically in comparison to that movie, it's interesting to watch a woman defendant, which yeah, I feel like was not very commonplace at all. And there were other things I liked. I liked the little off screen, physical stuff. We didn't get to see some of their intimacies, but we could hear it when they were in the other room.
[00:13:42] So I thought that was kind of a fun way of being cheeky and also very team movie at the same time. Uh, the dinner party scene kind of killed me. Well, they were all glamorous and stuff, and that was fun. But when she announced that she took the case. He has the drink tray and he's like, [00:14:00] Oh, so clumsy of job sell the stuff.
[00:14:03] So there's some gag type things and yeah, I liked that they show the home videos of their relationships so we could see actual literal pictures of them beyond their lawyer illness. Yeah. I mean, Intriguing things like during the jury selection, the man saying openly saying he doesn't believe in equal rights for women.
[00:14:25] Uh, usually that's shown, not told in this day and age. So to hear those words it's yeah, very jarring and the, the trial. Um, okay. Definitely again, some more stuff like, uh, wind. He started cheating on her because she started getting too fat, like, Oh my gosh. Um, it makes it harder for the jury and the audience to side with him.
[00:14:53] Cause he's so unlikable. And but one thing I didn't love was I didn't love. [00:15:00] Kind of this blame on the mistress. And I think we've really progressed in those views of constantly blaming the woman. And I felt like we saw a little bit of that angle here and yeah, I didn't love that slap action. It was not a playful love slap between Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn.
[00:15:19] I don't know. The whole court scene was quite the. Quite quite the circus there at the end, um, with, with the various woman and well, having the variety of women was very cool and impressive. You see a couple of women of different races than being quite, and it does show and promote women equality to the masses watching the film.
[00:15:43] But I had a really hard time seeing any of that being admissible in court, this whole, uh, the, the, the. I don't know, strong woman tumblers situation. Yeah. So the whole court thing was [00:16:00] interesting and actually, okay.
[00:16:05] Well, I think a lot of the intentions were good. There were some things that I thought were just kind of maybe dated in terms of, uh, I don't know, looking for quality and. W, especially the Edwin Katharine Hepburn's character, like at the end of the trial, when Katharine Hepburn's character goes, Oh, look at her.
[00:16:29] Like she was a man when she was talking about her defendant, like, think about her as a shoes. A man, I don't know. I. Something about that. I don't like, because I think it places more value actually on the privileged group, more than it uplifts a marginalized person, if that makes any sense. Uh, so in a sense that like scene was kind of like saying that men should get away with shooting their wives if they cheat.
[00:16:57] And I don't know, I, I get the [00:17:00] intention, but I just wasn't really sold on its effectiveness. Uh, Yeah, so it was hard, but at the same time, you're looking at it, this view of success for a woman, lawyer, she gets a win in courts and all this stuff like that. Trashy, sleazy husband, isn't in the right, but it's hard.
[00:17:20] It's definitely a little different than I think a real. LifeLock case would go down.
[00:17:26] Jack: [00:17:26] I would say, I would say there's a lot going on in the movie and to be quite honest, like it had been around for five years since I had last seen it. So, uh, I remember thinking that it was entertaining, but you know, it wasn't my favorite.
[00:17:43] I wasn't rewatching it like crazy, but I thought that it was definitely worth. Watching this Valentine's day, this little dealer's choice and even the name, I don't even know if you want to touch on the name, but like Adam's kind of even like a biblical [00:18:00] illusion, um, kind of weird. It was very, it's just a weird kind of movie.
[00:18:04] Emma: [00:18:04] Well, definitely with like women coming from men, I thought that was a, like an interesting title choice, like us being a derivative and, uh, and also like, Looking at the poster at the trailers and stuff. There's a lot of emphasis on who wears the pants in your family, which I thought like now, today, I mean, we, gender, you know, pants with being met and like, who's the man and your relationship in the man having control.
[00:18:30] Like it's a roundabout way of saying like, Who has control and that person should be the man. And I, yeah, I thought that was really weird. Cause like, you know, you both were the pants, like this is a partnership that's, it's equal stuff. And what's weirder on that is that Katherine Hepburn was so known for kind of gender bending and wearing trousers.
[00:18:50] Yeah, so weird, weird promotional stuff there, but no, and I don't know if this is necessarily funny, but what I did get a kick out of was this [00:19:00] neighbor, uh, being into Amanda. I don't know why I thought that was so funny. I was getting curb your enthusiasm vibes, like when Cheryl has her male tennis partner friends, which I'm still adamant was platonic on her end.
[00:19:13] Yeah. But Kip definitely. Yes. The thing for Amanda and this guy has some. Balls, like he is openly hitting on this guy's wife and I'm like, dude, uh, and, and some of the lines like lawyers shouldn't marry other lawyers, they should marry piano players or songwriters or both. And I'm like, you're weighing it on really thick
[00:19:35] Jack: [00:19:35] pals being, you know, subtle about it.
[00:19:37] That's another thing just about these old movies. It's, it's like, they're almost shameless some of the dialogue, some of the scenes and. Uh, man, even Sabrina has a little bit of that, so I can't wait to get into it. But, um, yeah.
[00:19:51] Emma: [00:19:51] I mean, closing thoughts was, I think this is definitely one worth seeing, especially in regards to feminism and film and yeah, [00:20:00] this could be a fun Galentine's day actually, but I don't know.
[00:20:04] Yeah, it was just an interesting look. I would just say that I was curious. It left me curious and feeling weird.
[00:20:14] Jack: [00:20:14] It could make a fun drinking game movie. I feel like there's there ways to make it, um, more entertaining, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's part of the. Old cinema lore. Watch
[00:20:26] Emma: [00:20:26] Spencer. Tracy, if not this one, definitely check out a Spencer Tracy Katherine Hepburn film.
[00:20:32] I should myself should watch more because they really are a pretty, uh, iconic part of that era.
[00:20:39] Jack: [00:20:39] Definitely. Yeah. And speaking of iconic. Oh boy. Oh boy. Do we have a, another. Dynamic duo in Sabrina I'm off. Yes. Should we shift
[00:20:51] Emma: [00:20:51] over to, uh, our Audrey
[00:20:54] Hepburn?
[00:20:55] Jack: [00:20:55] Yeah, I was going to say our little Audrey instead of Catherine, no relation.
[00:20:59] Uh, [00:21:00] I don't know if you wanted to talk a little bit about that, but maybe we'll save that for. An actress spotlight. I can,
[00:21:05] Emma: [00:21:05] I mean, I'll just say it really quick if in case you're curious, it could save you a Google search. Um, but essentially, uh, CA or Audrey Hepburn's birth name was Autry Rustin, and this was chosen as her stage name.
[00:21:21] Jack: [00:21:21] Excellent. Nice. Quick and easy. I love it. So Sabrina, 1954, Emma, why did you end up choosing this one? We kind of talked about it earlier, but like, what was it that really stuck out to you about this film?
[00:21:36] Emma: [00:21:36] I think that this is a really cherished one for a lot of people, even myself. I would say that this is again, one of the earliest old movies that I watched in my life that kind of introduced me to this time period of film.
[00:21:52] So, and I mean, it's got, you know, three terrific well-known actors with Humphrey Bogart, Audrey Hepburn, William Holden. And for [00:22:00] those of you that don't know, this was three made in the nineties with a Harrison Ford. Um, Julia Armand and Greg Kinnear. And it really did not do well at the box office because a lot of people were comparing it to this movie.
[00:22:14] So they're like, Oh, you know, like you can't beat that. Uh, so I dunno, it's just an important one to see it's. It actually kind of iconic for several reasons. Most notably the relationship between Audrey Hepburn and Shiva. She, the designer a little, little controversial here. So Edith head was the. Costume designer for this movie and she won the Oscar for best costume design.
[00:22:42] However, there is ponderings that the work was truly that of Shiva. She now Edith had said she drew inspiration from Shavonne shoes designs that Audrey Hepburn liked, uh, and [00:23:00] made some changes, but they were not his now. Shavonne she's said that the black satin dress was his design and it was supervised under Edith head.
[00:23:10] Now keep in mind. She thought she was only 26 years old at the time. He had only started his own design house two years prior to that movie is released. So he was pretty young, you know, like up in calmer. Yeah. And actually when he, I think it's. Up for debate exactly what went down in the costume department, but he was definitely involved.
[00:23:31] And he even said that when being approached for this, he thought he would be designing for Katherine Hepburn, not Autry Hepburn
[00:23:40] Jack: [00:23:40] up classic mixed
[00:23:41] Emma: [00:23:41] up. Uh, yeah, but I mean, after this movie came out, Audrey Hepburn ended up using miss sushi. Bashi for her personal and professional wardrobe. He most notably created the little black dress and breakfast at Tiffany's.
[00:23:55] So. Either way, long time they worked together and this [00:24:00] movie is kind of what started it all. And, Oh man, the costumes in this movie, why I would watch
[00:24:05] Jack: [00:24:05] it for that alone enough. Like you, I think you mentioned to, uh, I guess give Edith head the Academy award for best costume design. Uh, Also getting, um,
[00:24:16] Emma: [00:24:16] yeah.
[00:24:17] Yeah. And you're also getting, uh, best director nominee, best actress, nominee, best screenplay nominee, uh, our direction cinematography, lots of good names there at the Academy awards. So it was pretty critically acclaimed.
[00:24:32] Jack: [00:24:32] I was going to say, I was going to say, okay, so here it is for me. Here is my reaction to Sabrina.
[00:24:39] I really loved all the technical details about it. I love the cinematography. I really, really liked the costumes and the art direction, but I just was not crazy about the story for whatever reason. I just could not buy, I could not buy that. David could like, did not [00:25:00] notice Sabrina before, like when he did, I feel like it's, it's the old, it's a wonderful life situation where you have Donna Reed.
[00:25:09] And the glasses and she's still a baddie and she's still good looking and it's like, nothing really changed much. For Audrey Hepburn in between her like, quote unquote glow up. It's not even like what, what what's that one movie called the princess diaries with away? It's not even like she was, I don't know, a little like troll
[00:25:34] in Hathaway. They purposely made her kind of look like, I don't not like unattractive, but just kind of like nerdy, which honestly isn't even bad. Like she was still cute. I digress anyways, I was also confused because. She is, I guess, a, a chef, um, where she's attending liquids, which was a great scene. I actually, I think that was my favorite scene along with, [00:26:00] um, the older gentlemen.
[00:26:03] Yeah. Is egg. Yeah. I love how they, you know, go over, cracking it and stuff. Um, that was actually, I think the funniest moment I think, of the entire film, but, um, yeah, I love what the older. Sort of, uh, you know, well-versed gentlemen, chef cook, you know, it's hot, cold, uh,
[00:26:25] souffle skills. And he's like, uh, you know, I can't remember exactly what he said for him. It was like, when you are too in love, you burn it, you know, but you didn't even put the oven on. Um, that was,
[00:26:39] Emma: [00:26:39] I have a lot of friends, like the Baron in my life,
[00:26:42] Jack: [00:26:42] the Baron was. The man. I really, I think he might've been my favorite character.
[00:26:47] Um, I really, I was not like particularly drawn to Linus or David. Um, I actually really did not. I disliked David a lot and even Humphrey Bogart. [00:27:00] I, I respect his work, but you know, there are some times when I can genuinely see what's, uh, Paul unread. I read from Blanca, otherwise known as Victor Laszlo was saying when they were getting into their little tussles back and forth of him not being a good actor.
[00:27:18] I don't know. I, I, I think he was a fine, he is a fine actor, but for me, I was seeing just like a lot of weird parallels to Casa Blanca, like between. Him like telling her to, to sing for him or, I mean, this is just kind of normal human stuff. Typecast. There's a little typecast for me, but I still overall, I liked it, but for me it wasn't enough to like, I think connect him and Audrey Hepburn within the time span that they spent together to like.
[00:27:53] Maybe fall in love or have that connection. It just seemed to me a little forced. And so that was my only [00:28:00] thing with.
[00:28:03] Emma: [00:28:03] I wonder if that has anything to do with, and I don't want to say it was drama necessarily, but the off screen behind the scenes situation, Cary grant was actually the first one approached for the role of Linus and he declined and then Bogart got the role.
[00:28:21] And he said, he even wasn't really sure if he was right. For it. And he actually wanted his wife, Lauren Bacall to be cast as Sabrina. And he complained that Audrey Hepburn required too many takes to get her. Seen right. So there was some tension there also to make it even more intriguing was that, uh, Audrey Hepburn, William Holden entered into an affair during the production of this.
[00:28:50] So they were hooking up. So I can see maybe some triangulation happening behind the scenes, which may have caused, like, [00:29:00] I don't know the relationships not to translate as well on screen. And there are some people that think that William Holden actually should have been cast as Linus. They should've gotten some hot, young, unknown for the role of David and that, that would have been better chemistry.
[00:29:17] I
[00:29:17] Jack: [00:29:17] was going to say it like Humphrey Bogart was, you know, notably older. Okay.
[00:29:23] Emma: [00:29:23] And I've got to say, though, I actually liked that they called attention to the age gap in the movie. And it's something that really should be called out for today with male leads, being so much older, female leads being so much younger.
[00:29:39] And what does that say about the roles available to members, women, and how we age, yada, yada, yada. But I do like that, she kind of was like, Oh, will be such a scandal if we get together. Cause there's a. 30 year, age gap, and they ignore, they acknowledge it though, which I appreciate. And it's not like, um, I think it's love in the afternoon with her and Gary Cooper where.
[00:30:00] [00:29:59] That movie didn't do so well because Gary Cooper looks so much older than her. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know if that played a part in it. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I feel like maybe the friction between Bogart and Hepburn may have been causing that disconnect for you a little bit. I actually think
[00:30:16] Jack: [00:30:16] they only kissed one time in the film now that I'm thinking, I know they hugged, they hugged at the end on the boat after.
[00:30:25] Not closing a $20 million deal, a $20 million deal on a tug boat and go flag down an ocean liner. And they only ended up hugging on like, and it's a long shot. It's not even like that. That was kind of just rubbing me the wrong way. But, um, but yeah, even just kind of thinking like how, you know, Bogart the classic here's looking at you kid, like.
[00:30:49] Instead of that for this movie, it was like, it's all in the family, which is just kind of weird. Like, I don't know how I felt. Yeah. I
[00:30:57] Emma: [00:30:57] wish I were my brother
[00:30:58] Jack: [00:30:58] part. Yeah. [00:31:00] Yeah. You know, I was just kind of, I was watching it. And I was like, really like that is working. Um, okay. I kind of had to suspend a little disbelief at, at points because I was like, this is just the campus.
[00:31:15] He felt off to me. And I think it was a lot to do with kind of the behind the scenes sort of aspects of it. And, you know, as much as I didn't really like David, I thought that he was still at least better for Sabrina. More so than Linus. Um, I don't know why it's just kind of felt like, like very, very minor character, honestly, until like much later in the film and the interest kind of came out of nowhere for me, but.
[00:31:43] You know, I
[00:31:43] Emma: [00:31:43] like this movie. Um, it's again, I wouldn't know. I don't know if I'd say this is my favorite, but like, you know, I, I like it. I guess I will say I, if from a romantic vantage point, I have a hard time. Ciphering when the act went [00:32:00] away and when the feelings started emerging and I feel like usually you can watch, you can point that out, be it a hallmark Christmas movie, or I don't know, whatever.
[00:32:10] Yeah.
[00:32:11] Jack: [00:32:11] And I feel like this could have easily have been remedied or solved with a little exposition, you know, with like maybe Linus had been like secretly in love with Sabrina, like right. Cool. Something as simple as that would have at least made it, make a little more sense to me. And so. That's all I wanted.
[00:32:33] That's all I wanted. But, um, I mean, overall though, I still, I still loved the, uh, the cinematography and like the great shots of set design. I really loved his office and like his talker, evil buttons, which capital like everything, um, in the building. But, uh, I thought
[00:32:49] Emma: [00:32:49] it was so cool seeing France. I love seeing, uh, like soccer and the backgrounds of her window, the Eiffel tower.
[00:32:59] Yeah. [00:33:00] And come on. I mean, the costumes, her black and white dress at the party might be one of my favorite costumes of all time. Ever, and I'm always jealous of a girl that can rock short hair. She looked fabulous, very Roman holiday ish chopping off that hair becoming more sophisticated or more into her womanhood and also her sailing outfit.
[00:33:23] Oh, sign me up for that.
[00:33:27] Jack: [00:33:27] Yeah, no, I mean, the costumes were. We're phenomenal in it. So if you were a fan of costumes, I definitely recommend watching, especially because I think it's always a very unique when you can bring out the, like the personality of the clothes within, within like using just black and white, you know, for, um, I guess like the cinematography, but.
[00:33:50] Yeah, this was a, this was a lot to take in. I honestly, like I enjoyed it, but I kinda didn't care who she ended up with. Like I was, I was sort of fine with [00:34:00] whoever heard of sale
[00:34:01] Emma: [00:34:01] the Paris on
[00:34:02] Jack: [00:34:02] her own. I honestly would have been fine with it. And I kind of would have been down with her beating somebody on the, on the ship.
[00:34:09] Like, I don't really think that either of the layer bees are really worthy of Sabrina and I, I just foresee issues with the family down the line. I think he asks, uh, like just kind of abandoned his family and maybe his, his job, but I guess he gave her all those shares and all that money. It doesn't really matter.
[00:34:29] At this point, you can just. Probably live off that. Boom. No take backsies
[00:34:33] Emma: [00:34:33] for that. Like
[00:34:34] Jack: [00:34:34] I don't care. No, I don't. I don't know. Uh, I mean, going off of that last second hug, I really don't know what to think. Um, but it was, it was a fun, fun film. I really did enjoy the, the scenes where she was at the court on blue and the Baron, the professor.
[00:34:57] Great. Great. I love, I love it. And [00:35:00] I'm again, just amazed that David could not recognize her. Like at all, when, when they reconnected, I actually thought that they had, I thought that they had, I guess, had a thing previously, which I guess it kind of did when they were like super young, but like when you're a kid, it doesn't really count.
[00:35:22] Yeah.
[00:35:22] Emma: [00:35:22] But that's like, she held
[00:35:23] Jack: [00:35:23] on to that. Yeah. He never noticed her at all, as she was growing up,
[00:35:30] Emma: [00:35:30] he's kind of a womanizer, he's like a Playboy type of situation. And he just got, you know, super distracted. I kind of think he is in the camp of really, really did not pay attention to her at all. Uh,
[00:35:46] Jack: [00:35:46] like, yeah.
[00:35:48] Which is again, hard to believe because she was still. Fine. Like so good looking that, you know, even when she's almost getting popped [00:36:00] with a champagne cork, like she's still looking good. And so, I don't know. I just, I I'm, yeah. I have a lot of kind of initial emotions towards, towards the film right now.
[00:36:13] Mostly just with my. I think disappointment with the ending and how it just seemed like they were really, really great friends. Um, yeah. I, I know that a lot, like brother drama is always kind of funny. Um, again, other really, really small note, maybe my last note. We'll see. But how do you forget that you have glasses in the back of your pants?
[00:36:38] Like how do you not. Feel
[00:36:41] Emma: [00:36:41] that I know it's a little gag, but I, you know, I guess when you're caught up with your dad, parking on you and your brother saying stuff and you just lose your mind. I don't know. I don't know, but that's pretty impressive that his butt was incapacitated for
[00:37:00] [00:37:00] Jack: [00:37:00] a couple days. Yeah.
[00:37:01] For however long. And I mean, I did enjoy and thought it was pretty funny, anytime that they had that little like plastic. Plank thing that they're always kind of the top of it. I did think that that was pretty funny. So there are kind of moments that, uh, made me chuckle here and there more so called this a comedy than a romantic comedy.
[00:37:22] Yeah. Well,
[00:37:25] Emma: [00:37:25] Parts that make me laugh or I don't want to say the obsession Sabrina had with David, but kind of at the beginning when her, you know, the, her dad and the other staff they're really rooting for her to get over him when they're reading the letter, like that's good. That's bad. That's good. That's bad.
[00:37:41] Like, I think that kind of stuff was funny. Uh, she named her dog, David. It's just like, Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
[00:37:51] Jack: [00:37:51] I do, I do want to add that. I really like the, I guess the, the servant mob, like they're like the servant.
[00:38:00] [00:37:59] Emma: [00:37:59] I love that crew as well. They're cool. Yeah. They're kind of people
[00:38:05] Jack: [00:38:05] that don't have your back.
[00:38:06] They were, they were pretty, I don't know. They were pretty funny. Cool to see. I really liked when, um, w was the main guy when he saw, you know, Sabrina, Audrey Hepburn come through and he was sort of like in the kitchen. I think it was the kitchen or just where everyone else was. And he was, you know, seeing her praises with how beautiful she was.
[00:38:24] Cause she is super fine in that dress. I feel bad for, uh, I guess Elizabeth, the, um, the fiance of David, cause she wasn't bad looking. I mean, she was pretty attracted to, I really thought
[00:38:35] Emma: [00:38:35] you were about to say, I feel bad for Shavonne. She wanting
[00:38:38] Jack: [00:38:38] to cry, but
[00:38:43] Emma: [00:38:43] Elizabeth Elizabeth, she had no idea
[00:38:46] Jack: [00:38:46] what was going on.
[00:38:47] Yeah, this does not pass the Bechdel test if you were curious, but, um, Oh, I
[00:38:52] Emma: [00:38:52] should've checked, you know what I bet Adams or did, I didn't like specifically scout out for that, but I mean, when, when [00:39:00] Katherine Hepburn and her secretary are talking about the court case.
[00:39:02] Jack: [00:39:02] Yeah. It's funny, funny, ever since we talked about it a few episodes ago, now I'm always sort of on the, on the lookout for.
[00:39:09] The Bechtel test, but, but yeah, I mean, overall, it's going to sound like I was kind of hating on Sabrina, but I really did enjoy watching it. Um, I just kind of find the humor in sort of like the antiquity of these movies sometimes and just different it is. And, uh, and so, yeah, I felt like that was sort of.
[00:39:27] What I was going through while I watched it overall. Um, I mean, it's a, it's a classic, iconic film, so definitely check it out and see for yourself. I mean, maybe you will completely disagree with me. Maybe you'll think that Humphrey Bogart. Audrey Hepburn, Linus and Sabrina are meant to be, and they have a beautiful relationship that will stand the test of time, or you'll think they're just crazy for being involved in each other for three days and not having any kind of bark in Paris.
[00:39:55] Emma: [00:39:55] I, you know, I hold a very special place for this one in my heart. Um, [00:40:00] I love zany messy love story, and this one certainly delivers in that regard. I love beautiful costumes. And despite maybe a disconnect with some of the chemistry, I do buy a lot of what they're selling for their characters and their interpretations.
[00:40:22] So I do think the acting is strong. I think that the interactions could have been better amongst the love triangle situation. That would be. Yeah. Cause I actually think that some of the scenes were. It's not involving the love interests. Some of those, I think were some of the most funny, or I know, I know capture you the most.
[00:40:44] Yeah. Yeah, like the bearer then Sabrina and the, that was the
[00:40:48] Jack: [00:40:48] most motivating scene that was like the most drawn into the movies and talking, I was like laid this wisdom down on me and I would have loved to have seen the [00:41:00] reappear maybe as like the captain of the ship at the end, something like. Hokey, you know, like I would have loved that, but I
[00:41:07] Emma: [00:41:07] would have died for a barren spinoff, like him helping young people in love in Paris.
[00:41:13] Oh my gosh. Could you imagine, I would love
[00:41:16] Jack: [00:41:16] that. I think we have a screenplay on our hands that are, uh, very, uh, I don't know, promising scripted television series. We'll have to. Get in touch with our Netflix representatives, but, um, Oh, side
[00:41:29] Emma: [00:41:29] aside, a side note, this might be of interest to some of you. If you're a big Billy Wilder fans, such as myself, they mentioned the play the seven year itch a couple of times in this movie.
[00:41:39] And that would go on to be Billy Wilder's next project, the very famous movie with Marilyn Monroe's subway skirt, blow up moment. So. It's a little teaser for his own work to come. Oh, Oh. And actually this is actually kind of also fun, really quick on that noticed on some Boulevard, the script for this [00:42:00] movie was unfinished when they started production.
[00:42:03] So they wrote,
[00:42:08] wrote it as they went along.
[00:42:13] Jack: [00:42:13] Yeah, I can. Yeah. Not, not, not much more to say for me, except I would've loved it. If we just had a Linus, like an introduction into the history of him loving Sabrina, like all of his life earlier. If, if that happened, I would have been totally fine with it, but yes, that, and also giving Audrey Hepburn top billing, because what is Humphrey Bogart doing the top slot?
[00:42:40] Sorry, sorry, bogey fans. Um, that's what they're called, right? Bogeys bogey, or that's what his nickname is. Very bogey. Yeah. So, uh, so those, all right, I'm done. I'm done shredding Sabrina apart. Go wash it, guys that, to that, but, [00:43:00] uh, I'm definitely
[00:43:01] Emma: [00:43:01] feeling the love this
[00:43:02] Jack: [00:43:02] bounce. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, and Bolivian Rose.
[00:43:07] It's kind of like watching, um, Yeah. It's like lovey and Rose in the UK. I kind of forgot to mention that, but yeah, it's like watching Bradley Cooper and lady Gaga, except not at all. And I will say I do like the chemistry. Okay. This is the last thing that I'll say on this, but I did really like, and then on a good note, I did really like.
[00:43:30] Sort of the embrace of the dance between Sabrina and David of Audrey Hepburn and William Holden. I thought that was very central and I liked that way more than any, anything with Humphrey Bogart or Humphrey Bogart kissing Audrey Hepburn for, for William Holden, for David, that was just so weird. Anyways done.
[00:43:53] Done. Okay. We're done. We're done
[00:43:56] Emma: [00:43:56] well. I mean, uh, so, so family, [00:44:00] exactly, uh, check out either Adam's rib or Sabrina Hepburn, Hepburn, double feature. Let us know what you think, which one you liked, what you didn't like. And definitely started off in the comment section on our social
[00:44:15] Jack: [00:44:15] media. Oh, please sound off for us.
[00:44:17] We have a very exciting. Rest of February in store for you
[00:44:21] Emma: [00:44:21] all. And they going to be celebrating black stories, black voices, uh, black stars. So that'll be really cool, really important, and definitely check out our social media. Cause I think we're still going to be celebrating some of those movies just in our story, at least what we don't get to.
[00:44:38] Jack: [00:44:38] Definitely. So some really, really cool stuff coming up and of course, get hype. Get ready. For March madness next month as well. Uh, just a little, little thing on the back burner for you guys to look forward to, but something that we're trying to kind of sort out and hopefully we can make something fun for the community and get everyone engaged in.
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[00:45:51] Emma: [00:45:51] Just a note out there for some of you, I'm also family members that reached out to us. We did receive a couple of requests for [00:46:00] movies, for us to cover. They are in the queue. We will find a place for them. Uh, we have kind of a schedule schedule lined up, but we are working on where we will put those and I can't wait.
[00:46:10] Jack: [00:46:10] Definitely. So stay tuned, everyone. Yeah. Keep an ear out, keep an eye out, feel free and be sure to follow us on social media so you can, uh, plug the movies you want us to cover and we'll get around to them. We'll definitely get around to them. So. Anything before we sign off here?
[00:46:30] Emma: [00:46:30] Uh, Nope. Just happy Valentine's day spread the love and we'll safely.
[00:46:37] And then I, okay. I know I've put this out there before. Cute. Like an Instagram, Q and a, I am very hopeful that not. The weekend, this is coming out, but maybe next weekend there'll be something, a Q and a situation on Instagram. So keep an
[00:46:52] Jack: [00:46:52] eye out for that. Yeah. Stay tuned everyone until next time we cannot wait to see you.
[00:46:56] And we hope that you have a very, very safe, fun, happy Valentine's [00:47:00] day. And we look forward to you very soon until then take care.